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Wycliffe Scarf[edit]

Is that right? Do Wycliffe and the Queen's really have the same scarf? --194.98.58.121 (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


Financial Endowments[edit]

I've added and started filling in a column of the Oxford Colleges' financial endowments, along similar lines to that featured on the Cambridge Colleges page. There's a link above the column which anyone else can use if they feel like continuing this project. Just scroll to the first page of financial data in the respective 2005/6 pdf file, and transcribe the figure lowest down on the left hand side (usually the largest). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.135.42 (talk) 14:53, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Westminster College[edit]

It was part of Oxford University. It moved from London to Oxford, breaking its ties with the University of London, it ran into financial difficulty and the University sold it and was brought by Oxford Brookes University.

Colleges and Societies[edit]

Statute V: Colleges, Societies, and Permanent Private Halls, confirms my suspicion that the beginning of this article is not strictly accurate. There are thirty-six colleges, three societies, and seven Permanent Private Halls. I don't really know what the difference is between colleges and societies. Perhaps somebody who does could comment.--AlexanderLondon 21:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree - the article is not strictly accurate. The difference, as I understand it, is that the Colleges have each been established by Royal Charter, while the Societies have been established by the University. Philip Trueman 15:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


which are the top 10 colleges at Oxford and Cambridge? Is there a ranking?

Answer Yes, there is now an official ranking. See Undergraduate Degree Classifications 2004/05, although bear in mind that the positions change each year.

It depends of course on what you mean by the top ten. You could mean average degree classifications, but perhaps more important is the research output of the fellows and the success of DPhil students in getting Fellowships (etc) when they finish. As far as I know the PPHs aren't included in the league table for undergraduate degree results because they are too small for it to be worthwhile (for example, if Campion Hall were to get just one First in a year it would probably be top of the league table). The dons at PPHs are, at least within the worlds of Theology and to some extent Philosophy, probably of above average stature. Liz Carmichael, the in-house theologian of St John's (which I seem to recall has the best overall Norrington Table performance), would probably not be regarded as highly as, for example, Henry Wansbrough, the former Master of St Benet's, Paul Fiddes, the Principal of Regent's Park, or illustrious Blackfriars such as Brian Davies, Denis Minns, Timothy Radcliffe, Fergus Kerr, and the late Herbert McCabe.

College/PPH tables[edit]

I think it may be worth adding a further column to the college table, detailing the dates the various institutions became colleges. I've marked on the "College status" dates for a few I know were founded as PPHs or other institutions, but I think there are more amongst the 18th - 20th century foundations. Also, perhaps the PPH table should indicate the affiliation of each Hall? Views? Mtpt 22:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Table of Colleges[edit]

This table needs some immediate tending to as, however you try to arrange it - by clicking on the buttons next to College, Foundation etc - it wil only put teh colleges in alphabetical order or reverse alphabetical order by name. Algebra man 15:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I think PPHs should be listed under colleges at large, on the basis that the university has now chosen to include PPHs under that listing in its prospectus. To make firm distinctions between PPHs and colleges bluntly ignores the fact that undergraduates at both have equivalent status at the university. Bill Hartram (talk) 15:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please take a second look at the population size for All Souls College? The sum of male and female students far outnumbers the total population. Also, the current population is ten (10) students. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manhattia (talkcontribs) 03:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@Manhattia All the student numbers are for 2018, when All Souls had 9 students, so they all need to be updated to 2019, when All Souls had 10 students. Wikipedia is updated by volunteers so it can be out of date. The male and female students columns contain percentages so the total is and should be 100. TSventon (talk) 22:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@Tsventon Ah, My misunderstanding. Manhattia (talk) 15:25, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Green/Templeton[edit]

I think the merger between Green and Templeton has gone through now. Should these continue to be listed as separate (even if they're not)? Plus Greyfriars is not longer a functional PPH. Closed down at the end of last term IIRC. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 21:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

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Historical Colleges[edit]

It would be great to have information within the article about the Oxford colleges that are no longer. Greyfriars, Oxford is a recent example. St Bernard's College and Durham College, Oxford are the other two I'm aware of. -- Fluteflute Talk Contributions 18:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah just found Category:Former colleges and halls of the University of Oxford -- Fluteflute Talk Contributions 18:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Pembroke Panther vs St Peter's Squirrel[edit]

Although I found the following anecdote (under College Rivalries) fairly amusing, I have my doubts concerning its authenticity:

A recent example of this came as a result of the 2006 rugby Cuppers final between Pembroke and St Peter's that culminated in a fight between the Pink Pembroke Panther and the St Peter's Squirrel, the respective mascots of each team.

Hitherto I have not been able to find a single reputable source on this hardly ordinary, yet seemingly obscure clash of titans. The only "newspaper" so far to refer to the incident was the University of Manchester's student newspaper, the Mancunion. The article was written in 2012 - a whopping 6 years after the fight reportedly occurred, does not add any further information and only refers to it in passing. Like the Mancunion, all other sources making note of the panther and the squirrel's scuffle seem to have copied their information directly from Wikipedia. For the time being, I've added a Citation needed tag to the anecdote. I welcome users who read or heard of the incident (or might have even been present) to alleviate me of my scepticism and restore my faith in a world where grown men dressed up as squirrels and panthers cross swords with one another to defend their team's honour.

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Rated B-class as lacking references. Very important subject as this page will hopefully be much-visited by those unfamiliar with the collegiate structure of Oxford. Casper Gutman 08:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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College rivalries[edit]

The College rivalries section is a mess with clear long standing rivalries unsourced and the only sourced one (Hertford and St Hilda's) is about a JCR resolution in one of them only a few days ago. It might not even last out the academic year. Largely these things are trivial. I good section would be one that discussed rivalries from several hundred years ago through to the last century. Recent ones would only be mentioned if they were the older ones still continuing. The one between Hertford and St Hilda's is for facebook, not wikipedia. I do not have the time or resources here in Australia to do it. Is anyone else up to it, or shall we just delete the section? --Bduke (Discussion) 04:54, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

I would favour deletion of the section and insertion of a wikilink to College rivalry#United Kingdom at some point. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 11:03, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree about long-standing. The question is whether there are significant rivalries that can be reliably sourced. I found some anecdotes in Google books and have put a hold request for "The colleges of Oxford : their history and traditions" (c. 1891) from the Weston stacks. If it arrives I should have a bit of spare time this Weds or Thurs. @Bduke, do you have any suggestions for "rivalries" that should be included? If the section can't be improved, I've no objection to deletion if that's the consensus. - Pointillist (talk) 12:29, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Personally, I only know about the Queens/SEH one, which existed when I went up to Queens nearly 60 years ago and I then heard it went back to when SEH was part of Queens, as is mentioned in College rivalry#United Kingdom. There is an IP editor adding sources, but they are not independent and are all recent. We need his/her contributions here. We need decent sources or delete it. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:33, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
The rivalries that strike me as long-standing are the very obvious geographical ones: Brasenose/Lincoln, Corpus/Merton, Christ Church/Pembroke, Balliol/Trinity and Queens/SEH. But it would be good to get some facts, as my Oxford memory only covers the last 30 years. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 16:12, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
I spent a couple of hours in the Weston today going through Clark's 1892 book without success. I couldn't cover the entire book in the time available but I found nothing about rivalry in the chapters on Jesus College, Exeter, BNC, Lincoln, Pembroke, Worcester, Queens and SEH (indeed the opposite with SEH as a benefactor to Queens). The Merton chapter talked a bit about Balliol having received its first endowments a little earlier than Merton, but Merton being first to have statutes: I don't think that's an enduring rivalry. The Balliol chapter described a low point in the 17th century around the time of the restoration where Balliol was very poor and Ralph Bathurst used to stand in Trinity's adjoining grounds and throw stones to break Balliol's windows. If that's relevant I can write it up. Other than that it's been a rather useless, though interesting exercise. Several chapters have wonderfully waspish remarks about nineteenth-century changes to architecture, windows, ceilings, chapel layouts &c. Oxford seems to have been a rather awful place for much of the 18th century, then picked itself up after 1807 in the nick of time to avoid odious comparisons with modern upstarts like UCL and Durham. AFAICS the current version of University of Oxford#History ignores the 15th–18th centuries entirely. - Pointillist (talk) 23:26, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
I have (belatedly) added a reference for Christ Church-Pembroke and removed Hertford-St Hilda's and removed the according to whom and unreferenced tags.TSventon (talk) 11:22, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

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Fourth oldest college[edit]

The History section stated that the fourth oldest college is Hertford, which first became a college in 1740. This was due to an edit in May 2018 now reversed. The original text is consistent with the exclusion of St Edmund Hall from the five oldest colleges and the article on Exeter College which states that Exeter is the fourth oldest college. 81.86.211.166 (talk) 14:27, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Percentage of Undergraduates and Postgraduates[edit]

We should create two columns, indicating the percentages of U and P students for every college.

@GS-216.1993: I would oppose this as three extra columns would be needed (U, P and V) which would create extra work and make the table less manageable. TSventon (talk) 11:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit request[edit]

Under the Postgraduate and mature colleges section, could we add the following? "Green Templeton College admits postgraduate students and clinical medical students." As per courses offered and admissions sources here: [1][2]

Foxplant2020 (talk) 13:09, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

References

Clearly something along these lines would be sensible but I would like to check a few subtleties. Clinical medicine is slighlty anomalous within the university, being generally treated as a graduate course but with GTC bing the only graduate collage that admits for the degree [1] which is normlly studied at mixed colleges. The course page at your second reference is not entirely clear and your first reference lists 89 undergraduates despite describing GTC as a graduate college. Are these all clinical medics or something else? Jonathan A Jones (talk) 19:31, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
With no response in over a month, I'm treating this edit request as stale and marking it declined. If discussion resumes, the edit request may be reopened. Altamel (talk) 02:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)